I’m beginning to think that this is the best way to go…
Anyhow…I’ll address a few things…[quote=“cwhenderson, post:214, topic:36218”]
again, assuming you are interested in reading viewpoints that differ from yours.
@cwhenderson: I would not be here if I wasn’t interested in reading viewpoints that differ from my own…I think that is obvious.
If you wish to talk further about this with me, I would invite you to visit https://www.ce-debate.org/discussion-debate …as for scientifically unsound… An interesting thought when talking with you all: The most glaring errors of evolution are here fixed by saying that there is a God, and that he guided the evolutionary process. It doesn’t seem to work without that…however, this brings me back to my original problem with EC: Evolution can’t work without God helping it, and we know that there is a God, and we know that Evolution happened, therefore, God must have used evolution to develop life. If that’s not the argument, feel free to correct me. It just strikes me as highly pretentious that EC places the “knowledge” gathered by fallible humans on the same level (dare I say,a higher level?) as/than God’s word. And you can deny that, but it strikes me that BioLogos would not exist if people did not idolize science in this way…
@benkirk: I have a great deal of prime learning years left. Considering this: 1) there are many, many things that I have not even heard of. 2) I have plenty of time to learn about them. Even if I die without learning all there is to know about “nested hierarchies” it really won’t matter…which slides well into the last point I wish to make in this current discussion:
“While it is interesting, and, if I say so myself, fun to discuss these topics, the only thing that really matters is believing that Jesus Christ came to be the Second Adam (undo the effects of the fall), in that He died on the cross to atone for my sins, your sins, and the sin of the whole world, and on the third day rose again from the dead, conquering death, and that He lives and reigns for all eternity (and with The Father and The Holy Spirit is one God, now and forever). That, my friends, is the message of Christianity. If your belief in evolution somehow stops you or discourages you from believing it, then evolution is not worth it.”
I have theological problems with evolution. Cramming macroevolution into Genesis would mean that there was death before the fall (according to the paradigm that you seem to be presenting), and the scriptures also say “the wages of sin is death.” For more biblical evidence, sin is a repulsive thing to God (and if you don’t believe that, you have some far more serious theological issues than evolution). He would not call a sinful world “very good.” There was no sin before the fall into sin…so why do you say there was death? And then…if sin is simply a natural thing (not really evil) that’s always been around, what did Christ come to save us from? God says of the Tree of Knowledge: “The day you eat of it, you shall surely die.” The ultimate consequence of it is not “falling into sin” the evil is DEATH! Eating from that tree was mankind’s first act of rebellion against God, making him sinful, an object of God’s wrath. And the end effect of that is both physical death and eternal spiritual death in hell. Death is not good, or natural. It is a curse. And by virtue of our sinful nature, we deserve it.
But thanks be to God that Jesus, through his death on the cross, has conquered death, that his sacrifice has cleansed us from our sins, and that the Holy Spirit has created Christian faith within our hearts, so that we become the children (instead of the enemies) of God.
Regardless of whether you believe in evolution or not, I hope that you all will celebrate Christ’s victory over our enemies sin, death, and the devil, tomorrow (or whatever day you worship), and rejoice in the FREE gift of forgiveness, and peace with God that we are given through Jesus’ sacrifice.
God bless you,