Do 100 or 1000 years old fossils exist?


#41

Fossils are formed during gradual processes such as slowly falling sediment but they are also formed during cataclysmic events such as mud slides or volcanic eruptions. It is not all one or the other.

The micro-organisms are aerobic meaning they require oxygen to live. In a low oxygen environment they are not present. Just as you can’t survive in a room with low oxygen levels.

We don’t throw out a theory until one comes along that does a better job of explaining all of the known facts and does a better job of explaining the facts that don’t fit the current theory. So what is YOUR theory?


(George Brooks) #42

@WilliamDJ,

I think the underlying point here is that you think only a global flood can make all these fossils.

But really, floods happen all around the world all the time.

So the key question about your version of these fossils is how you can possibly explain why all the giant marine reptiles drowned before any whales drowned? Evolutionary theory can explain this - - because giant marine reptiles went extinct long before whales appeared. You have zero theory to explain it.

Why did the really large land reptiles (like brontosaurs) drown long before pigs and horses and rhinos drown? Evolutionary theory can explain this - - because even the biggest land dinosaurs went extinct long before pigs and rhinos ever existed. You have zero theory to explain it.

Why are only the most primitive of plants found at the bottom of sedimentary pile … and the more sophisticated plants are fossilized at the top? Evolutionary theory can explain this - - you have zero theory to explain it.

Why do we find rain drop patterns fossilized at various sedimentary levels … when the flood happened all at once, unlike the sporadic flooding that Evolutionary theory offers? You have zero theory to explain it.


#43

We find organisms now that are buried in sediments, such as anoxic lake bottoms, that are not being digested by microorganisms. We don’t have to use our imagination. We just have to use our eyes.

There are fossils that have evidence of being preyed on, either by predators or scavengers. There are plenty of fossils that are disarticulated which means that they were decomposed and scavenged down to individual bones. How do you explain this?

"The body is usually exposed to air and water with a lot of oxygen, so it decomposes rapidly.The animal is likely to be fossilized only if it is buried soon after it dies (or when it is buried alive!). Even then, it is likely to decompose, because water that seeps through the sediment around it usually is rich in oxygen. Sometimes, however, the body is buried rapidly by fine mud. Water seeps through mud much more slowly than through sand, so the body does not decompose as fast. Mud often contains a lot of other organic matter as well, and that uses up oxygen faster. Some animal bodies then escape decomposition. Under just the right conditions, a delicate impression of the animal might be preserved."

That’s from the American Geosciences Institute. I think I will take their professional opinion over the opinion of a guy on the internet who has an obvious beef against standard geology.

If fossilization takes a 10’s of thousands of years, why would you expect to see a 100 or 1,000 year old fossil?

You have already said that there are rare circumstances where fossilization can occur, so I really don’t see what you are arguing against. The empirical evidence is that fossilization can occur.


#46

Is there any science backing these claims?


(George Brooks) #47

@T_aquaticus,

I don’t know if @r1xlx is still with us… the post you were responding to seems to be gone at the very least.


#48

Hey, this is not a bad idea. Imagine what we’d save on home heating oil.


(William DeJong) #49

Dear Bill_II,

We, empirical scientists, throw out a theory if it is contradicted by facts. This is the case with the well-know theory that the fossilized dead organisms in sedimentary layers (99.9 % of the fossilized dead organisms found) have been produced slowly in everyday circumstances over billions of years, resulting in a representative time record of everyday life. Such a slow, natural, everyday process cannot have happened, because dead organisms that are covered slowly with sediments lose their detailed appearance and 3D characteristics by the digestion of micro-organisms in short time and turn into a ‘pizza of bone parts and slime’. As a consequence, the detailed fossils we know (many of them are excavated in full 3D body shape) can only have been formed in extremely extra-ordinary circumstances, as the American Geosciences Institute confirms (see: https://www.americangeosciences.org/education/k5geosource/content/fossils/under-what-conditions-do-fossils-form ) and as supported by the fact that no 100 or 1000 years fossils exist.

Conclusion:

From logic follows that the detailed fossilized, 3D bodies of organisms found in the sedimentary layers that cover most of the land of the earth, can only have been produced by fossilization ( = the process of replacing the organic molecules of a dead organism by inorganic molecules from the sediments covering it) after a sudden and airtight covering by layers of sediment.

Please respect the playing rules of empirical science, even if they demand you to throw out a beloved theory.

Dr. William DeJong
(Evoskepsis)


(Lynn Munter) #50

Well, I’m glad you’ve cleared that up for us. There’s a lot of people running around thinking they might have been covered by water, not earth. Thanks for showing us water couldn’t have had anything to do with it.

Don’t the playing rules of this forum say something about (not) being pointlessly repetitive?


#51

Funny but the article you provided doesn’t support your theory, if this is your theory.

From the article:

This is what we have been saying all along.


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