Discussion of chapter 5 from Hart's The Experience of God: Being, Consciousness, Bliss

[Klax (The only thing that matters is faith expressed in love.)]

@MarkD

Science doesn’t point to a meaningless order but scientism does.

Creationism is an obvious misuse of science but using it to argue for the philosophical position of determinism is equally inappropriate.

Not a position you’ve espoused but Daniel Dennett argues that consciousness doesn’t exist at all, or else only as an illusion. I wonder what you think consciousness is if you seriously think physics/chemistry/biology should be able to explain what gives rise to whatever this may be?

Science measures. Order. Unintentional. And intentional. Like this message. Meaning is measurable. Where is the meaning in unintentional order?

I agree that using creationism to argue for the philosophical position of determinism is equally inappropriate. Who does that? Apart from predestinarian primitives. Consciousness is obviously deterministic of ultimately indeterminate nature. A consequence, among everything else communicated, of the collapse of multiple eigenstate superposition of wave functions. For here we are. I could never use creationism as anything other than an argument for the philosophical position of determinism. Strong in this case.

And as for what Dennett argues, in his own words, where?

I am conscious… that only nature explains that. And that we can never understand what it is saying. How a bag of enzymes can know that it is just a bag of enzymes. I don’t see what the problem is. What the gap is that allows for utter unnecessary nonsense like mass is to consciousness as the Higgs field is to…?