Denying that God is triune puts you outside orthodox Christian teaching?

[LM77 (Liam Maguire)]

@03Cobra

The Apostles’ Creed is Trinitarian if the was created after a subset of the church promulgated the doctrine of the Trinity, but we don’t know its date of origin.

My apologies, if I have been unclear. Let me outline my position so far

1. We do not know the date of the origin creed.
2. we do not have a copy of the original creed to assess its content.
3. We cannot prove that Ambrose (late 4th Century) and Pirminius (8th Century) are referring to the same document.
4. We do know that the creed we use today first appeared in the writings of Pirminius in the 8th Century.
5. The evidence suggests it is safest to read the creed in the historical context of the 8th Century church in which trinitarian theology was mainstream orthodoxy.
6. The alternative is to read the theology of, by all accounts, an edited 8th century document back into theology of the early church. Generally, this is frowned upon in most theological circles.

@03Cobra

The simple fact is that the Creed does not present the doctrine of the Trinity. And a Christian who doubts or does not accept the doctrine of the Trinity can fully embrace the Apostles’ Creed.

They are more than welcome to affirm the creed so long as they are aware that they are removing it from its 8th century historical context. And that, in all likelihood, are affirming an understanding of the creed that sets them outside of historical orthodox.

@03Cobra

And don’t you think it would be strange that a creed developed after the promulgation of the doctrine of the Trinity would not present the Trinity?

I never said it wasn’t odd. Just said it was safest to assume a trinitarian understanding given the date by which it reaches its final form.

Hope that helps.