No Evolution is development from creation. It does not create from zero. Abiogenesis is still a pipe dream.
I think we are going in circles now. My concept of God has substance. From what I have read, yours does not. My relationship with God has substance. I do not think that you have one, or even believe one is possible. I am sorry but God, if He exists, must be more than some forlorn hope that you cling to like a shredding rag.
On the positive side I concur that there must be some sort of parameters built into the genetics of life but I refuse to leave god on the sidelines as a helpless spectator watching His creation fall apart or even form coherently. Such a god does not deserve my worship. Christ becomes an act of desperation, too late and insignificant.
Richard
Klax
(The only thing that matters is faith expressed in love.)
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Abiogenesis is universal from eternity, for all universes that make the grade. God is obviously a helpless spectator of the material but for incarnation and transcendence. Which makes the helplessness irrelevant. God is substance, the ultimate and only one. My relationship with God is the best possible one I can make up, which is a bit of a shredding rag yes. Iâm glad yours is more⌠imperial.
So (say) you acknowledge that Moses and thousands & thousands of Israelites following him witnessed an anomalous string of plagues befall Egypt, up through & including a tsunami (or tidal bore) conspicuously timed so as to drown the pursuing Egyptian charioteers just after they had crossed the Red Sea?
Forgive me, but your God is not real. If there is such a thing as a God delusion, you, my friend, epitomise it.
That would not be enough for me. Ghandi, Nelson Mandella? God? Surely God has to be all powerful, gracious and magnanimous rather than weak, ineffectual and pleading.
Richard
Klax
(The only thing that matters is faith expressed in love.)
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What were they?
Klax
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Like Jesus on the cross you mean?
Klax
(The only thing that matters is faith expressed in love.)
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And being the ground of material and transcendent being isnât powerful enough for you?
No one (human) has ever seen âThemâ (John 1:18)
But âTheyâ were saying something about all earth will be destroyed by âfire from heavenâ (Rev 20:9) which will boil away earthâs oceans down to slagged continental crust (2 Peter 3:10)
I guess we get to hope itâs all allegorical & symbolic, if literal earth will be âHosnian Primeâedâ
The most important part of the message is not whatâs said, but the mere fact that anything was communicated at all
meaningful, intelligible, cogent, articulate, audio-visual messages (âVoices, Visions, Dreamsâ) from heaven to earth, from heavenly beings to earthlings
thatâs the first thing to consider (generally, even if you canât trust what was said, you can sure trust that somethingwassaid, if somebody talks to you, you donât have to believe everything they say, but you might as well admit that there they are saying it, same same, communications from heaven donât have to have been factual to have been actual)
Jesus was neither weak, ineffectual nor pleading. He was not even meek and mild after birth. Submitting to the cross was not showing weakness. The only slight faltering was in the garden of Gethsemone.
I think you have the wrong idea here.
Richard
Klax
(The only thing that matters is faith expressed in love.)
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On the cross, thatâs what it looked and even sounded like. No omnipotence there.