Naturally, @Jonathan_Burke, I get it from you and your sources.
Below I quote from the Facebook discussion you published a link for. In Footnote [27], you brow-beat the reader about any suggestion that there might be a connection between Tammuz and the Birth of Jesus. . . then followed by footnote [28] where you actually provide the evidence for the connectino between Tammuz and the Winter Solstice![/quote]
Sorry George, your claim was this.
and as you yourself have alread pointed out in one of your footnotes, Tammuz was recognized in connection with December 25 by the Babylonian priests
None of my footnotes said anything at all about Tammuz being connected with December 25, either by Babylonian priests or anyone else. My footnotes said that previously it was believed by scholars that Tammuz was connected with the winter solstice, but that this is now regarded as bereft of evidence.
Here’s one of the footnotes you’re ignoring.
‘Wailing for Tammuz at the time of the autumnal festival would mark the end of the summer period. Unfortunately, it is virtually unknown whether such a ritual at that moment of the season existed. Only a few suggestions gleaned from foreign rituals and cultic calendars elsewhere may show that such laments also took place shortly before the expected return of the disappeared god.’, Hemmes, Becking, & Dijkstra, ‘On reading prophetic texts: gender-specific and related studies in Memory of Fokkelien Van Dijk-Hermmes’, Biblical Interpretation Series, number 18, p. 101 (1996).
Here’s another.
‘Early in the 20th century Tammuz was taken to be the classic example of the “dying-and-rising” god. Based on the work of Frazer (1935: 6), this position saw Tammuz as the divine representation of the life cycle of crops and therefore a vegetation deity (Langdon 1914: 114). It was held that the god died with the plants and rose again when they reappeared the next season; the cult, it was maintained, spread from Mesopotamia throughout the ancient world and was found with assorted names given for the Tammuz deity from Egypt (Osiris) through Palestine (Eshmun) into Greece (Adonis). Even the Christian Christ story was related to the myth (Frazer 1935: 6; Langdon 1914: 1; Moortgat 1949: 142–43; Kramer 1969: 133, 160 n. 48; Burkert 1979: 105–11). With the recognition that Tammuz was a shepherd, the death and rising of the god became less obvious (Falkenstein 1954: 65; Kramer 1951: 1–17). A fragmentary end of a myth has been suggested as evidence for Tammuz’ return from the dead (Falkenstein 1965: 281; Kramer 1966: 31), but this material is open to more than one interpretation.’, Handy, ‘Tammuz (Deity)’, in Freedman (ed.), ‘Anchor Yale Bible Dictionary’, volume 6, p, 318 (1996).
And here’s a third.
'Tammuz was also originally worshipped only as a dying god, and whether the idea of his resurrection was added to his cult in pre-Christian times is still disputed.’, Wells, ‘J.M. Robertson (1856-1933): liberal, rationalist, and scholar : an assessment’, p. 162 (1987).
So that’s three sources saying there’s no solid evidence for Tammuz being connected to the winter solstice, and not a single word about Tatmmuz being connected to December 25, whether by Babylonian priests or anyone else. You just made that up.
[quote=“gbrooks9, post:52, topic:37400”]In fact, Tammuz is connected specifically to December 25 (Dictionary of Atheism, Skepticism, and Humanism, by Bill Cooke, p. 606. And: “Daniel: Understanding the Dreams and Vision” by Charlene R. Fortsch, Appendix 8F, p. 226).