Celebrating Art, Literature, and Power of Imagination

So another major art form is obviously music. I have never been a big musical person. Though I did play the drums from 6th-10th grade. I actually stopped playing because part of being in high school band was going to football and baseball games for our team and playing for them. But I was not really friends and even disliked many of them and hated sports and so I dropped out of band just to stop being forced to go to dozens of games a year.

Me and my friends use to listen to music when we were driving around. I never learned to ride a skateboard. Was never into it, but several of them were and so we would all head out and I would ride my bike or rollerblades and they would skateboard. There use to be this wooden path that ran along the sea for like 4 miles and we would go down it and back almost every night. On the way there we would listen to music.

Now days I sometimes go weeks without listening to any music. Even then when I do, it’s usually in short bursts of 10-12 minutes as I’m driving somewhere. I do listen to it when I’m in the gym. It’s normally just techno or something and I don’t know any of the bands just whatever pops up on pandora for that station since the faster beats helps to motivate me to keep going.

Ironically one of the things that made me like the Churches of Christ was their lack of musical instruments in most of their churches. Spiritually, music does nothing for me. I feel the least motivated about God when I’m singing a hymn. Or when I listen to a choir sing it just does nothing for me. I’ve seen people singing and begin to cry and that just has never been or presumably ever will be my experience. Though I am one of the minority within American churches of Christ that supports musical instruments in church even though I don’t want to listen to it. By that I mean many on CoC believes musical instruments in church is “false worship” and I don’t agree.

The main verse they like to use is this.

Ephesians 5:19
New American Standard Bible
19 speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody with your hearts to the Lord;

They argue that since it only mentions singing that anything else is adding to it. But I also mention that throughout the Old Testament we see musical instruments being used and in revelation we see imagery of it being used. That also when it says worlds like psalms and making melody in your heart, it’s using the same root words of psalmos/psalló. That the bulk of examples implies that the word means to strike as in Chord. A “twang”. It’s used throughout the old testament with musical instruments.

https://biblehub.com/text/ephesians/5-19.htm

So though music does nothing spiritually for me and I hardly listen to it, when I do it’s a fairly wide range of styles. I like Nightwish. All their albums. Them and Dani Filth are probably the only metal I listen to.

I mostly listen to things more laid back like freak
Folk. The name almost makes you think of something crazy or fast but it’s actually a lot more like country and Appalachian folk music.

Iron and Wine “free until they cut me down”
Crooked Still “undone in sorrow”
Pepper Proud “love you, love a riddle”

I also enjoy dark cabaret bands as well. It’s similar to folk but has bits of a more circusy rag doll sound.

Vermillion Lies “ circus apocalypse “
Happy Birthday Amy “mystery scars”
Katzenjammer “to the sea”
Solace and Fury “the vampire”

Also a style called Murder Ballads/ Alt Ballads forms of Traditional Folk.
Meg Davis “ The Elf Glade”
Ben Nichols “ the last pale light in the west”
Leadbelly “ where did you sleep last night”
Exuma “ Mama Loi, Papa Loi”

Funny enough the last song by Exuma is one I heard at an Indian reservation when they sang a version of it along with a version of Rockwell’s “ somebody watching me “ .

One of the things I find best about music is that we are not the only ones to do it. Though these other things are not technically music I guess. But birds will do their singing and switch up the melodies, wolves will howl in a pack and crickets scratch their legs. When you are sitting outside by a pond and creek in the woods at night you’ll hear them taking turns. The birds will go about whistling. Then the coyotes in the background will do their evening “laughing” and then the grasshoppers as it’s getting dark will play their songs and normally the last ones are the frogs and toads in the night singing. Where I live it’s almost always in that order. It’s like music or nature and even at the right time of year the stars and fireflies do the light show xd.

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Wish I could help, but no idea.

Ebay.

You just need to specify “original”, or “cinema version” or possibly 1982. It will throw up “Directors Cut” or “final cut” but if it doesn’t include that in the title you should be OK

Richard

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@yofiel I’m inviting you to join this thread and talk more about Lewis’s fiction. I’m particularly interested in hearing more about your take on Lewis’s Space Trilogy. I read it in the ‘90/‘91 school year I think — my first year teaching — and was pretty disappointed with it, particularly, when he started bringing in characters from legends.
I read it in ancient times, I admit, and there’s very little I remember. Might be time to revisit them?

MacDonald’s work is available all over the Internet as well as in libraries, used book stores, and as reprints at Behemouth bookstores in the ether and your neck of the woods.

I read GM’s Phantasies a long time ago and liked it, but don’t remember anything but the very beginning. Perfect with the German Art Fairy Tale (Kunstmaerchen) movement.

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characters from legends?

I am quite familiar with the space trilogy. Though my familiarity diminishes the farther you get into the series. The stories of the three books are connected but very different. The first is most like a science fiction adventure. In second, the story is more an excuse for the dialogue, like the book of Job in the Bible. And the third is hardly science fiction at all – more like a social commentary worried about the direction human society is going.

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I think in the 3rd one Merlin shows up, and he’s a good guy. I can’t remember who else.
I had loved Arthurian legend-related stories in my teens. It just seemed entirely out of place in Lewis’ trilogy. It’s been over 30 years though since I read them. Hope someone else can help.
It sounds like you weren’t thrilled either.

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The C.S. Lewis space trilogy can also be classified as “primitive science fiction.” It is early in the development of science fiction and so you cannot expect a great deal of sophistication. To give other examples of these, there are the mushroom planet children books and perhaps Wrinkle in Time even. I loved these others also. But from the perspective of a physicist, most modern science fictions isn’t so much more realistic than these. It’s all really fantasy. But I like fantasy – though the more connection there are to the real world the better I like it, and I don’t share so much the fascination many have with medieval times (which is how sword and sorcery often look to me).

Let’s see… I remember… and even have copies of…

Mary Stewart “Crystal Cave” etc…
Susan Cooper’s “Dark is Rising”
Andre Norton’s “Steel Magic”
Alan Garner’s “Elidor”

Though when I look up “books connected to Arthurian legend” you get quite few results. This legend continues to inspire new film and literature. And then many other stories make up their own connections to it like Dr. Who.

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Gobbled up the (then) mary stewart trilogy between classes in 8th grade. There were some fun movies about that time, too. Fit my age then.
You mentioned sci fi as fantasy. One of the things I really enjoy about the novel “Dracula” ( hardly sci fi) is Stoker’s fascination with real technogies of the time, plus the structure of the book as an assembalage of first person accounts in many different formats. Showed off his background as a newpaper man beautifully. And there’s the fun of the clash between the scientific and supernatural. (Same old, same old, i guess.) ; )

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Recently I have been thinking a lot about Japanese aesthetics. Many of these aesthetics underpin haiku and thinking about them has helped me deepen my own writing, but I’m also interested in how they connect with Christianity and Science.

The first is wabi-sabi, the appreciation of the imperfect, transient nature of things. It’s a combination of the principles of wabi (simplicity and quietness) and sabi (age and wear). It’s the art of finding beauty in the imperfect, not in spite of, but because of it’s imperfections.

The other is mono no aware (sometimes shortened to aware). You could think about it as an awareness of the impermanence of all things and the gentle sadness and wistfulness at their passing. It’s an appreciation of the beauty of a thing because it is fleeting and will not last.

Like all Japanese aesthetics, it is complex and hard to communicate in English. On one level, both wabi-sabi and mono no aware are easier to see and feel than explain. For example, if you’ve ever been moved by a piece of Kintsugi art (the practice of repairing broken objects with gold) then you’ve been touched by wabi-sabi and mono no aware:

Both of these aesthetics are also powerfully at work in haiku. This poem by master poet Kobayashi Issa (1763-1827) captures something of both these themes:

on Buddha’s lap
a snake’s forsaken
garment

The very act of a snake shedding its skin speaks to the fleetingness of life and the cycle of birth and death and new life (mono no aware) that is central to both the natural world and Issa’s Pure Land Buddhism. Whilst the shed skin itself rustic and ‘forsaken’ captures something of the beauty of wabi-sabi.

I’m curious about what folks think we can learn from these aesthetics and how they might enrich our Christian experience (if at all). As a Westerner, I often feel like I inhabit a world obsessed with perfection and permanence. Christianity rightly says that human death and decay are bad things and forward to a time when the New Creation will put death to death. However, Science shows us that life, death, and new life, are inherent to the cycle of nature and the process of evolution.

Some starters for ten:

  • To what extent might a deeper appreciation of aesthetics mono no aware and wabi-sabi help us find and celebrate beauty even in things that bring us profound sadness and better appreciate what we see at work in nature through science?

  • To what degree might finding the imperfect and beautiful deepen our dependence and need for God and/or help us leave at peace with our own imperfections?

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Great Minds think alike! I actually heard (via podcast) Greg Boyd give a sermon using exactly this Wabi-sabi analogy about 2 years ago…? I wish I could find it archived, but can’t locate it right now. Anyways, I recall the point was along the lines of God “Working together” those imperfections and sufferings in our lives to make something even more beautiful and creative with us.
What a beautiful little pot that is, by the way.

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I love it, having only been introduced to it recently.

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Isn’t it!

I wonder what can remind us to ponder them more frequently. A distinction between nostalgia and poignancy concerning our pasts seems worthy of reflection too.

I think that there are a few ways that i feel similar to that in faith and science.

One is that the biblical stories are not perfect. I don’t mean flawed characters being used by God but how places like where David and Saul first meet is told through two very different and contradicting stories. 1 Samuel 16 and 17 I believe. In one David and Saul meet when David becomes his armor bearer after driving out an evil spirit in Saul. He is beloved and essentially raised up by him. Following that story is immediately a story of David as a young fighter going up against Goliath and wins the appreciation of Saul. But both stories can’t logically be factual. When stories are told with a bit of mystery left unanswered or contradicting statements it can cause those stories to be more heavily debated.

In nature I see beauty in imperfection all the time. One of my favorites is foliage eaten by caterpillars and marked by miner moths. So many want these perfectly formed flowers with nothing on them. But ecology leaves you finding beauty in the munched up leaves.

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Reminds me of this podcast, recorded at the last Biologos conference.

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I bet that’s where. :+1:

Phil, thanks for the link. I really enjoyed this podcast a few times already. Mako is always good for my spirits.
From his website:

Revitalizing the Christian imagination through painting, poetry, music, and more

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part of Walking on Water by Makoto Fujimura

He has written quite a few books. If you read them all, they are repetitive, as he builds his thesis and hones his ideas. I recommend reading Art and Faith: A Theology of Making, which really pulls everything together from his other books.

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Golden Sea by Makoto Fujimura

I think I first learned the concept of Culture Wars from one of his early books and read James Davidson Hunter’s book of that name because of Fujimura. One of the many things I really like about him is his gentle, persistent activism. In response to Culture Wars, he conceived the idea of Culture Care and the International Arts Movement.

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Water Flames by Makoto Fujimura

IAMCultureCare is a vision to steward the ecosystem of culture toward flourishing. We do this by creating a language for artists and non-artists to live generatively, and by spreading the ​“aroma of beauty” in the harsh context of their professional and personal lives.

With a focus on beauty and generosity, and guided by a cultural history informed by faith, IAMCultureCare brings a refreshing approach to affecting many aspects of culture, including the arts, business stewardship, education, and more.

The greater IAMCultureCare community around the world exists around the world to be a source of healing in broken places. You can connect with IAM members on our Facebook group, IAMCultureCare Twitter and Instagram accounts. The writings and artwork of the founder Makoto Fujimura present important perspectives on shaping culture through art and beauty, and provide an inspirational base from which the work of the movement naturally flows. ​“Art+Faith: A Theology of Making” (Yale University Press)

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Candid in May by Makoto Fujimura

I also adore Fujimura’s art and hope to spend time with it in person some day.

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Rhapsody by Makoto Fujimura

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Beautiful stuff. I have thought about getting some of his prints, but am sure they would not capture the layers and texture of the originals what with his intricate method of painting and making his own pigments. Perhaps after seeing the originals, a print could serve as a reminder.

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Ah, Makoto Fujimura, talk about wabi-sabi and mono no aware. His work is breathtaking (even if only on my computer screen!).

His Four Holy Gospels is probably my favourite collection of his works, especially Charis-Kairos and John-In the Beginning.

His work is also rich in the yugen aesthetic, something mysterious, something to feel rather than understand. That seems to connect with his idea that God is ultimately felt by us, long before we before we try to understand him.

I recently watched a YT Talk from Mako talking about the question “What do you want to make today?”. I found it a profoundly counter-cultural proposition.

Thanks so much for introducing me to him, Kendel.

This turned up in my mailbox today. I can’t wait to get started on it.

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Yes, I agree. There is something deeply profound about the risen Messiah still bearing the marks of his crucifixion. And presumably, his flogging too? It’s quite beautiful to think that God will bear those imperfections made perfect for all eternity. Such a different perspective on sanctification.

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When I saw the title, I wondered what his take was. The question was answered quickly:

The title of this work, based on a well known tale of the lost son in Luke 15, is taken from my pastor Timothy Keller’s book, Prodigal God.