Can you be a Christian without believing in the resurrection?

I give my understanding briefly below.

1 Every particle has consciousness (Panpsychism).

2 Consciousness of parts coalesces to make a Collective Consciousness (CC) (Durkheim).

3 The CC deeply influences or “governs” the individual (Durkheim). Just as the President made by the people governs the people.

4 The CC resides in the unconscious (Jung).

5 CC is what we call “God.” So, our collective consciousness coalesces to make God, Who, in turn, governs us through our unconscious. The scriptures, of course, do not say this. But they do not deny this either to my understanding.

The references for these statements can be found here: what is god.docx - Google Docs

Lots of sand.

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”
John 14:6


Do you know how big a particle is and what its only reasonable attributes are?

Yes, for that time and place.

You have not thoroughly read the Gospels, and certainly not the rest of the New Testament or you would not be saying such silliness, if you really think we should take it that way.

But of course you said this too, didn’t you, still imagining for some reason that others should take you seriously:

To which I replied:

1 Like gives some interesting perspectives. To the materialist the physical resurrection is clearly essential as they want to be eternal selfs in a material form, ideally in their sexual prime, which is why people can be tempted by meeting virgins in heaven. Imagining doing that looking as multilated as you might leave this world as a combatant.

I’m still curious: what and whose scriptures?

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this reminds me of Aron Ra’s tweet about not believing in God in contrast to believing there to be no God. He declared rocks to be atheists, thus accidentally claiming the inability to think to be an atheist feature.

  • @moderators
    From where I sit, I’d say this thread ceased to be “on topic” a while ago, and may–therefore–merit closure.

Let us do it the other way round. Please show why it is inconsistent with the Bible.

This article seems to deny the possibility of the soul outside the bodh. Then what about judgment day?

LOL! Gotcha there, @Dale! Prove nonsense is inconsistent with the Bible.

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  • Job 38:
    1 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind and said,
    2 “Who is this that darkens counsel By words without knowledge?
    3 “Now gird up your loins like a man, And I will ask you, and you instruct Me!
    4 “Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell Me , if you have understanding,
    5 Who set its measurements? Since you know. Or who stretched the line on it?
    6 “On what were its bases sunk? Or who laid its cornerstone,
    7 When the morning stars sang together And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
    8 “Or who enclosed the sea with doors When, bursting forth, it went out from the womb;
    9 When I made a cloud its garment And thick darkness its swaddling band,
    10 And I placed boundaries on it And set a bolt and doors,
    11 And I said, ‘Thus far you shall come, but no farther; And here shall your proud waves stop’?
    12 “Have you ever in your life commanded the morning, And caused the dawn to know its place,
    13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, And the wicked be shaken out of it?
    14 “It is changed like clay under the seal; And they stand forth like a garment.
    15 “From the wicked their light is withheld, And the uplifted arm is broken.
    16 “Have you entered into the springs of the sea Or walked in the recesses of the deep?
    17 “Have the gates of death been revealed to you, Or have you seen the gates of deep darkness?
    18 “Have you understood the expanse of the earth? Tell Me , if you know all this.
    19 “Where is the way to the dwelling of light? And darkness, where is its place,
    20 That you may take it to its territory And that you may discern the paths to its home?
    21 “You know, for you were born then, And the number of your days is great!
    22 “Have you entered the storehouses of the snow, Or have you seen the storehouses of the hail,
    23 Which I have reserved for the time of distress, For the day of war and battle?
    24 “Where is the way that the light is divided, Or the east wind scattered on the earth?
    25 “Who has cleft a channel for the flood, Or a way for the thunderbolt,
    26 To bring rain on a land without people, On a desert without a man in it,
    27 To satisfy the waste and desolate land And to make the seeds of grass to sprout?
    28 “Has the rain a father? Or who has begotten the drops of dew?
    29 “From whose womb has come the ice? And the frost of heaven, who has given it birth?
    30 “Water ]becomes hard like stone, And the surface of the deep is imprisoned.
    31 “Can you bind the chains of the Pleiades, Or loose the cords of Orion?
    32 “Can you lead forth a in its season, And guide the Bear with her satellites?
    33 “Do you know the ordinances of the heavens, Or fix their rule over the earth?
    34 “Can you lift up your voice to the clouds, So that an abundance of water will cover you?
    35 “Can you send forth lightnings that they may go And say to you, ‘Here we are’?
    36 “Who has put wisdom in the innermost being Or given understanding to the mind?
    37 “Who can count the clouds by wisdom, Or tip the water jars of the heavens,
    38 When the dust hardens into a mass And the clods stick together?
    39 “Can you hunt the prey for the lion, Or satisfy the appetite of the young lions,
    40 When they crouch in their dens And lie in wait in their lair?
    41 “Who prepares for the raven its nourishment When its young cry to God And wander about without food?

  • Job 39.
    1 “Do you know the time the mountain goats give birth? Do you observe the calving of the deer?
    2 “Can you count the months they fulfill, Or do you know the time they give birth?
    3 “They kneel down, they bring forth their young, They get rid of their labor pains.
    4 “Their offspring become strong, they grow up in the open field; They leave and do not return to them.
    5 “Who sent out the wild donkey free? And who loosed the bonds of the swift donkey,
    6 To whom I gave the wilderness for a home And the salt land for his dwelling place?
    7 “He scorns the tumult of the city, The shoutings of the driver he does not hear.
    8 “He explores the mountains for his pasture And searches after every green thing.
    9 “Will the wild ox consent to serve you, Or will he spend the night at your manger?
    10 “Can you bind the wild ox in a furrow with ropes, Or will he harrow the valleys after you?
    11 “Will you trust him because his strength is great And leave your labor to him?
    12 “Will you have faith in him that he will return your grain And gather it from your threshing floor?
    13 “The ostriches’ wings flap joyously With the pinion and plumage of love,
    14 For she abandons her eggs to the earth And warms them in the dust,
    15 And she forgets that a foot may crush them, Or that a wild beast may trample them.
    16 “She treats her young cruelly, as if they were not hers; Though her labor be in vain, she is unconcerned;
    17 Because God has made her forget wisdom, And has not given her a share of understanding.
    18 “When she lifts herself high, She laughs at the horse and his rider.
    19 “Do you give the horse his might? Do you clothe his neck with a mane?
    20 “Do you make him leap like the locust? His majestic snorting is terrible.
    21 “He paws in the valley, and rejoices in his strength; He goes out to meet the weapons.
    22 “He laughs at fear and is not dismayed; And he does not turn back from the sword.
    23 “The quiver rattles against him, The flashing spear and javelin.
    24 “With shaking and rage he races over the ground, And he does not stand still at the voice of the trumpet.
    25 “As often as the trumpet sounds he says, ‘Aha!’ And he scents the battle from afar, And the thunder of the captains and the war cry.
    26 “Is it by your understanding that the hawk soars, Stretching his wings toward the south?
    27 “Is it at your command that the eagle mounts up And makes his nest on high?
    28 “On the cliff he dwells and lodges, Upon the rocky crag, an inaccessible place.
    29 “From there he spies out food; His eyes see it from afar.
    30 “His young ones also suck up blood; And where the slain are, there is he.”

I see no expiration date on that verse.

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I’d say it has moved off-planet.


I don’t think so. This was your unsupported claim out of thin air:

But I understand why you won’t. Supporting  2  +  2  =  5 is difficult, even for you.

A god that evolves is not one that is trustworthy, especially if it is only your fantasies that support it.
Loving fathers are trustworthy.

I the LORD do not change.
Malachi 3:6

Regarding where what we believe comes from:

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Looks like a good note to close on.