Can the story of Noah be literally true?

Last I heard, the flood happened when Pangea was a supercontinent, thus allowing all the animals to walk to the ark, then possibly disperse as it broke apart. Ad hoc infinitude

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Not quite, it would turn the earth into a ball of 15 Mk plasma that emits as much light as the rest of the galaxy .

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It astounds me that until just recently, our best astrophysicists didn’t know anything about the two most plentiful “things” composing the universe, Dark Matter and Dark Energy.

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That is what we call a red herring.

 

That would be relative, and we didn’t know anything about relativity until early last century.

I disagree.
Mars used to have a magnetic field. It is gone now along with most of its water. The forces at play in the universe are dynamic and we’ve barely scratched the surface of all the mysteries that distort and conceal our understanding.
The word “all” in the bible does not always equal “all” as in every single one. “In those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered.”
Back in the day people regularly lived for hundreds of years. The sun stood still for 24 hours, or the earth did in relation to the sun.
The theory of relativity upon which modern physics rests is incorrect. C is not the speed limit. Entanglement has proven that certain particles travel the span of the universe instantaneously.
If Jesus was God, and if He rose from the dead, all the recorded miracles in the N.T. pose no challenge to credulity, not for me, anyway. I don’t have to believe or even know of most of the NT to be eligible to join Jesus in paradise. Jesus didn’t rise from the dead for three days, yet He promised his new friend he would be with Christ in heaven that very day.

The sun stood still “in the sky”. I tend to be more of a concordist than many here, but a massive temperature inversion extending over the horizon causing a superior mirage would have sufficed. I am all about God’s providential timing and placing.

What are you disagreeing with, anyway? Or are you just being disagreeable. :slightly_smiling_face:

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I think you misunderstand entanglement (not that anyone fully understands it) – it is not about particles moving faster than C.

What is it about?

including when the particles are separated by a large distance.

Nothing is moving between them, nor are they necessarily moving relative to each other.

I disagree. My response was not a red herring. When you ask me if I am just trying to be difficult, I prefer not to engage in conversation with you.

I’m not going to object. :grin:

Ah, that’s what you were disagreeing with. It’s a red herring because the topic under discussion was the physics of a global flood. Okay, just off-topic then.

 

I was just being facetious and it was very much tongue-in-cheek, because I really didn’t know what you were objecting to.

So one of the effects of the Flood was to break up Pangea in 2348 BCE, not 175 mya, but only after the mainly 7 by 7s had walked, hopped, slithered, flown back to New Zealand? That would have taken a few years. So when were the continents in their present configuration? With five mile high mountains and all?

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I take uphold the view that the biblical author of the story was aware of other similar ancient flood legends of rescued heroes (as in the Epic of Gilgamesh) and revised the legends to emphasis both God’s moral character and abundant mercy for the future even if the world continued to contain evil.

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Right, one ad hoc explanation creates a dozen new problems incompatible with physical reality. The mountains evidently are said to have raised with the continents playing bumper cars. Even that ignores the sediment fans and the time it takes for rock to be ground to sand and clay, and that sand and clay to be covered and pressed back to rock, then that rock to be raised and ground down again.

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Belly buttons to you Phil!

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A different fanciful YEC approach is to claim that Genesis 10:25 “in his days the earth was divided” refers to the breakup of Pangea. Like all young-earth approaches to plate tectonics, that reflects ignorance of the lengthy history of events that are reflected in the geologic record. Multiple supercontinents have come and gone, along with many more local events. Trying to fit that into a young-earth timescale requires continents traveling at least at highway speed, which has serious problems with the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

The “mountains” of the Flood narrative are the same word as “hills”, just as the “earth” is the same word as “land” as in a local region (“land of Egypt”). Decision depends on the context. (Peter’s reference to the “world of the ungodly” being destroyed by the flood is "cosmos:, which can range from “universe” to “stuff” and most often is “world” in the bad figurative sense of humanity united against God.) If by “literal” we mean “interpreted seriously using our best understanding of the literary and theological context, and using our knowledge from scientific and other sources to determine what is figurative”, certainly it can be interpreted literally. If “literal” is “as if it were a modern pedantically precise historical narrative”, then that is not an appropriate way to read any of the Bible. Too often, “literal” is “how it reads based on my inerrant interpretation”, whether that interpretation is then advocated as authoritative or rejected as a supposed error in the Bible.

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Some prominent NT “scholars” are adamant that the Gospels were not written for quite a few decades after Christ was crucified. They conclude because of the tremendous gap in time that the original writings included a vast number of inaccuracies.
Their NTs are substantially different, too. They eliminate all miracles from consideration. When they refer to their NTs, they aren’t talking about the ones we use.

I have a question for them. What does, “the ministry of the word of God” refer to in Acts Chapter 6 v 2? The 12 devoted themselves to it and mention “the word” again in v 4. “The word” of God is the writings of the old and new testaments as we use it today.

Please dont talk.Unless you have a phd in geology i wouldnt talk.Or at least say that you dont have one before writting something so we dont have to waist our time . Thank God there are no gullible people here