Can one be both Hindu and Christian?

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I am not interested in the word for world, I am more interested in the word for “Condemned,”. In My translation i it is"Judged". Your version assumes a certain verdict. I am not claimng there is no judgement, only a summary conviction or condemnation,

Just because Christians might bypass summary judgement does not mean they avoid it altogether. We will still be juded by our intentions and motivations. I am glad that I do not have to judge you on those.

Regardless of your homage to loving your neighbour and dng right by them, you also judge them as if you were God. And that, I am afraid negated your imunity.

Leave the judgement toGod, and that includes your insistance that the world is corrupt. It is not. And it is not your place to say otherwse.

Richard

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Don’t dodge – your assertion was that God has no standards for humanity in general. The word use indicates otherwise.

I only judge as we are admonished to do: analyze, assess, speak truth.

Scripture says it is – that’s where we are told death comes from. Jeremiah tells us that the human heart is deceitful and desperately sick. The Psalmist says that all are corrupt, that no one does good. Isaiah says that we have all gone astray like sheep, and Peter confirms that this means everyone, not just Jews. John 3 tells us that apart from Christ everyone is going to perish – that doesn’t come from being spiritually healthy!

It is not my place to deny it since the scripture affirms it.

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Is this thread still going? I would have thought it should have died a quick death by now its a simple question with a straightforward answer…and yet nitwits are still debating what is blatantly obvious!

If you wish to discredit a scientist, then id suggest you do so with science of your own. Remind me which part is wrong?

I wish to also make a significant observation here…

I have gone back through 143 posts on this topic. Out of those 143 posts, i am the only one who has consistently referenced his responses. Other than approximately 4 other referenced posts (one of which is about the movie Narnia and has nothing to do with this thread), another illustrating the Greek for Revelation 14:!2 (which I’m not sure who that post is responding too because the Greek there doesn’t change the text in any way)…

Do you guys really not understand that your answers without references are useless? I mean for all the supposedly university-educated individuals on these forums and 143 flaming answers and I’m the only one consistently citing references…you guys are making ■■■■ up as you go along. Im one of the most poorly educated on these forums and yet you guys self publish your own comments as authoritative and have the audacity to call others who don’t agree with your habits here pseudo-scientists, conartists, and liars?

honestly guys, you are not doing the Biologos name any credit there. when i read back through the above 143 posts im reminded of the following:

Pirates of the Caribean…“Do you think he [Jack Sparrow] plans it all out, or just makes it up as he goes along?”

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So the first of those patterns looks like the artificial pattern of design, so that is the YEC prediction, right? The second of those look like the natural random nested hierarchy pattern (nodes all over the place), so that would be the prediction of evolution.

The scientific method is make the testable predictions first and then you do the measurements. It is certainly not just matching what you want to believe to results of the measurements, the way this guy has done.

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instead of saying “it looks like”…how about you actually cite the data and reference the errors in it!

How hard would it be for you to use your own expertise to obtain the data from Kurt and check it?

again…145 posts now and mine are the only consistent references.

oh BTW…Do you know where the data for Jeansons mtDNA research comes from? Isnt it not also inclusive of data from the United Nations database, African national records sources?

Dr. Jeanson tested the origin of the mtDNA differences in Africans using available databases of mtDNA sequences and marriage data Nations.Origin of Mitochondrial DNA Differences | Answers in Genesis

So if Kurt Wise data is wrong…how do you think that bodes for your data sources given they are the same (ie government databases) Or are you a conspiracy theorist who doesnt use government records because all world governments are under the control of the Rothschilds?

Here are the references Jeason used in some of his research:
(i would suggest its got a pretty fair spread of world views included)

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I am not the one dodging

You ignred this, I wonder why?

our views are everything i hate about Biblical Christianity…

To make myself very clear.

It is not the Bible I reject.

I reject the cruel, ungodly doctrines that people like you claim to find in it…

Richard

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What is wrong has already been stated by people here who know what they’re talking about. I don’t grasp it anywhere near as well as they do, but even I can see that what Wise presents as the evolutionary view just isn’t, it’s totally contrived.

I think the problem is that any solid references would be beyond what you or I would understand (T Aquaticus and others lose me frequently in posts about biology), and as working scientists they probably don’t bother with popular presentations of the matter for the public. I find myself frequently wishing that biology had someone like Neil deGrasse Tyson who can make the science understandable to us peons – maybe one of our people here knows of someone?

No, mostly they’re communicating as is normal between people who know a field. I’m actually rather impressed at how well they present stuff in ways that people not so “high up” in the field(s) can follow, but most of the time it still takes a university science education to follow them. I’m glad I indulged my penchant for trying to take classes in everything that looked interesting and so ended up with almost a physics degree, almost a geology degree, and almost an earth sciences degree plus enough for a major in botany, because it armed me with enough to follow most science material – I’d be lost here if I had to rely on just my ancient language and ANE studies!

One last thing: when you have reached an advanced level in some subject, you absorb so much information that you take a lot of it for granted and would have to work to find sources for a lot of it – not so much information overload as information abundance.

Anyway, guys: can someone do a more detailed analysis of why Wise’s “evolution model” is screwed up? preferably on a high school level for us peons?

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You pretty much said you were – “I am not interested” in a critical point, so you skip to something else.

I skipped it because I didn’t feel like going into a long exposition of the Greek word at issue.

Sorry, but it’s the text and what it says that you reject. Scripture tells us that the world of man is corrupt, that humans are corrupt. Since the statements are plain, that makes them godly doctrine, not ungodly.

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@St.Roymond

No.

It is your view and understanding that is at fault.

If the net result is ungodly then you are reading it wrong.

Original Sin is ungodly. It claims man is more powerful than God.

You are claiming the definitive version of Scripture. If that is not arrogant I do not know what is.

Richard