BioLogos and Inerrancy?

How do you figure? The Bible might be objective Truth in some abstract theoretical sense, but the process of getting meaning/truth out of Scripture is far from “objective.” It is riddled with just as many susceptibilities to the weaknesses of faulty human reasoning and presuppositions as science is. That is the problem. People confuse their subjective interpretations with some abstract concept of the infallible inerrant word of God.

How is “without sin” conflated with “without error”? Kenton Sparks in Sacred Word Broken Word asked the question, did Jesus ever, when he was learning the carpenter trade, measure wrong and have to throw out the board? Did he ever look across the way in bright sunlight and say, “Hey, James!” when it was really John? Those are errors. They are manifestations of human limitations. Humans don’t get everything perfect because their memories, senses, and learning are limited and finite and imperfect. If we can even imagine that Jesus, God incarnate, got some stuff wrong on occasion, why is it hard to imagine that biblical authors got some things wrong on occasion, even though they were inspired, and even though their words are God’s word “inscripturate”?

That would be a terrible idea. Inerrancy gives people hives. For all different reasons. I’m sure BioLogos gives some people hives already, but we don’t want that to become the trademark.

I think it is an accommodation, but I think the biblical authors were also wrong about some stuff, and it affects how they wrote Scripture. This to me is a bigger, more concerning and pressing issue for the inerrancy camp than “fixing” references to a solid firmament or the Hebrew’s travelling water rock. The slavery passages, the use and abuse of concubines, the genocide passages, the passage where a man offers his daughter as a human sacrifice to fulfill a vow to God and there is no indication that it was bad, the women as chattel passages, definitely seem to affirm things that make me more than uncomfortable, things I would say are wrong. Again Kenton Sparks made me think hard when he pointed out that the reason we are so uncomfortable with them and they strike us as so wrong is that we have a moral sensitivity shaped by the New Testament ethic. How can the Bible make us uncomfortable with the Bible unless there is some sort of redemptive trajectory going on and even parts of Scripture “stand in need of redemption”?

It was Jesus and the apostles who taught and modeled the very things that have shaped our moral consciousness to the point where we reject slavery, genocide, human sacrifice, and the subjugation and sexual exploitation of women. William Webb has written extensively on the redemptive-movement hermeneutic, and others have taken the narrative theology approach, and I think they are often much more useful (and less disturbing) than the concept of inerrancy when we are trying to figure out what God is saying through the Bible in history.

God did not stop communicating with us when the last letter was written. He is and has been working in history. He indwells believers. The Church is Christ’s body and has the mind of Christ. The Bible is not the only voice that has been delegated God’s authority on earth. If we had a better, fuller, perhaps more Trinitarian model of how God works and speaks authoritatively through his chosen voices, maybe we wouldn’t feel such a need for the crutch inerrancy provides. I don’t really understand what it is for, other than to prop up the Bible’s authority.

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What a fun occasion to be agreeing so much with @eddie =).

@gbrooks9, in your slavery tangent, the teaching of Jesus about divorce is helpful. Jesus says that divorce is hated by God, but allowed because of the sinfulness of our hearts. The mistake that some were making was saying that because God’s law allowed it, that God endorsed it. This is certainly not the case about divorce. Jesus tells us clearly that the laws about divorce were about accommodating our fallenness, but were in no way to endorse or teach divorce as good. In the same way, I see the Bible accommodates ancient Jewish slavery, even though He does not endorse or teach it.

Also, in the case of slavery, there is a language gap. Ancient jewish slavery was nothing like modern african slavery. (1) it was not determined by race, (2) it was often temporary, and (3) it did not extend to the children of slaves. Of course the cultural experts can correct me here. So, it is a bit of an anachronism when we read our modern day understanding of slavery back into the bible. Thinking of it as “servitude” is probably more accurate for the modern reader.

In the end, it is wholly false to say that the Bible endorses modern slavery. It does not, and never did. There is no error in the verses, but the pro-slavery movement certainly made several interpretive errors in the efforts to justify slavery. I place the error on them, not on the Bible.

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What? Not determined by race? George has already pointed out these verses:

Leviticus 25:44-46: “Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.”

There are even verses on how Hebrews can beat slaves.

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George is over arguing his slavery case and making a category mistake. However, it certainly can look a bit like the biblical narrative if not endorsing at least tolerates slavery.

William Webb’s book called “Slaves, Women and Homosexuals” lays out what he called the trajectory hermeneutic. Essentially, the Hebrew slave laws when compared to their neighbours come out as stellar slave owners, although, beagle lady’s post is correct. the NT moves along on a similar trajectory.

Christy,

Excellent post. I’d add that inerrancy statements are meant to not only prop up the Bible but also to Prop up theological systems, identify who gets to belong to certain clubs/tribes and if we let them who gets to define who is or isn’t an evangelical and in some cases who gets to be in charge.

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I agree. But I don’t think that saying slavery wasn’t so bad back then gets the Bible off the hook in lots of people’s minds for some of its slavery passages. I think the knee-jerk defense of inerrancy has led to a lot of tone deafness in the Evangelical community when it comes to how we talk about the Bible with non-believers.

In Deuteronomy 21:10-14 we basically have God regulating the use of female war captives for sex. Even with the idea that God was just accommodating their awful tribal practices and trying to inject a new level of humanity into their barbaric customs, I completely understand why people don’t get excited about the fact that this was a better situation for the women than the customary getting raped and then sold into slavery. Are all the feminists supposed to rejoice that the girl was granted the honor of marriage to the person who took part in the slaughter of her loved ones, and that she got the privilege of grieving the loss of her old life before she was forced into a marriage that ended as soon as the man got tired of her? I think for many people, when they point out those passages and ask how it fits with God’s word being perfect and inerrant, and when we “defend” God’s word as perfect and inerrant and authoritatively communicating timeless absolute truth (by coming up with some kind of contextualizing that makes it not as bad as you might think), what they hear is us justifying, minimizing, and rationalizing a situation that was clearly wrong on many levels. What amounts to the trafficking of female prisoners of war clearly has no place in the Kingdom, and should be denounced in the strongest terms, but many Christians seem to think that God would be more honored if we make sure everyone knows his word is perfect than if we make sure everyone knows God hates all situations that hurt and debase women, whom he loves with indescribable love.

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There are even verses on how Hebrews can beat free civilians.

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@Eddie

It doesn’t follow that Yahweh has to abolish slavery. But it does follow that he should not teach it.

@Swamidass
Slavery in Israel was certainly racial … or, shall we say, ethnic:

Leviticus 25:44-46: "Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you;
^^ [this means non-Israelite!]

from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.

You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly."
^^ The implication is obvious … you can rule over non-Israelite slaves ruthelessly!"

[@beaglelady, I just got to your post … which makes my post here totally redundant… good job! You read… Dr. Swami didn’t…]

:monorail::mountain_cableway::european_castle::articulated_lorry::movie_camera::boot::kimono:

@Larry

I think you haven’t read Leviticus 25 very closely…

Leviticus 25:44-46: “Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.”

Can I give your post a double heart

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Only with the woefully underutilized emoji options :heart::heart: :stuck_out_tongue:

…and I’m waiting for my :heresy: from @AdCaelumEo too.

Just for you… :heresy: :heart: :heart:

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Yes I haven’t read that text lately. However, my overarguimg comment was aimed at your error language re the text.

I guess I’d have to review this whole thread to see how u define error … but that is too much work on this Sunday evening. :slight_smile:

If I understand this topic, inerrant means incapable of being wrong - if this is the case, I cannot see how anyone can argue for it. I think instead, that God is incapable of error or wrong, while human beings are incapable of avoiding error and wrong. When we discuss the OT, we can see countless examples when Israel committed offences, did things that they clearly knew were wrong (e.g. David), and Moses on many occasions told them they were stubborn and inclined to follow the bad practices of other nations, in spite of all that God did for them, and in spite of all that Moses could bring in leadership, their actions were just as Moses predicted.

Since the Bible deals with all such issues, it is reasonable to accept that various practices and errors are discussed - more to the point, how would Moses deal with a stubborn and backward nation, while bringing God’s message to them? Even now, with the Gospel and the Apostles testifying and teaching Christ Himself, we Christians have on many occasions committed wrongs and errors. Do we then say Christ was wrong, or that when we err, we show Grace at work. Surely not. But it is also true that anti-theists and anti-Christians can point to our errors, and blame Christ for such.

It is this that we call human nature, and why we seek salvation.

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The phrase “in heaven, on earth, and under the earth” was the first century way of saying “all creation.” If we indeed think that Paul may have held to the common conception of the universe (which would have been geocentric by that point), then that’s a whole other discussion. The Scripture’s inerrancy is not to be judged on the basis of the mistaken notions the authors may or may not have held that they barely even hinted at in the text itself. There is no “error” here, just a colloquialism.

Besides, is it not true that Jesus will be worshiped everywhere? In heaven, on earth, and under the earth (if this is meant as Sheol/hell, I see no issue; all will bow the knee, even those in hell, on that glorious Day).

For Paul to operate within his own worldview does not make the Scripture untrue.

I have a question for you, by the way.

How can the Bible be infallible (i.e. true and trustworthy) but at the same time be errant (i.e. at points neither true nor trustworthy)? Correct me if I’m misunderstanding your position, but this strikes me as odd.

Thanks Jay, I basically say the same thing when I write about true myth in Genesis which bodies like Ans in Genesis try to turn into “real” history.

Anyway, it’s been a long day. Thanks again for your response.

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One last thing, if I may. I would be wary of calling anything in the Bible “myth,” even “true myth,” simply because of Peter’s words:

“For we did not follow cleverly devised myths when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty.” 2 Peter 1:16

Peter goes on to explain his encounter on the mountaintop and the transfiguration, and then to state that the prophetic word is “more fully confirmed” than his experience. The Scriptures, essentially, trump his personal eyewitness testimony, because they attested to Christ and his works. These were not myths, but actual prophecies brought to pass by God.

Anyway. Have a good night.