Biblical arguments for and against use of cell lines such as HEK293 in vaccine development and manufacture

No, you throw in different stuff with nearly every post. Which specific are you talking about now?

@Christy did a good job with your special case ‘what if’. If you did not understand that, and apparently you did not, then there is nothing more to say. (Not politely, anyway. :grin:)

You and your what ifs. Your robbery is not analogous to the prior example and is irrelevant.

So you object to anyone using any human tissue that was donated to science? I am an organ donor. Am I less civilized than a Neanderthal?

Well, the land you live on was stolen from the indigenous people and they were killed so that you could live on it now. By your ethics, you don’t have a right to benefit from that crime.

I’m actually torn on the subject. What is the difference between drinking blood from a human or animal and having a blood transfusion from another person? The bible is firmly against the first.

Leviticus 17:10-14, Genesis 9:4-6
Even for those who don’t think the law is still in effect. Acts:15:19-20

Lives have been saved, but some lost to HIV, AIDs and other diseases because of tainted blood donations. Some even done purposely.

What I see as the future of much of medicine is stem cells taken from the donor and used on the donor. No embryotic or fetal cells.

Possibly. In any ethical code, if you follow it far enough, there will be some type of hypocrisy, if you would call it that. It’s part of living in a fallen world. Why do you think Jesus kept separate and taught the disciples to be not of this world? Ultimately, we own nothing, because it all remains when we die.

For anyone. What do you think of the following possible “treatment?” What if young blood reverses aging to some degree? Do you think there are not doctors already trying this for wealthy patrons, and not from teens’ blood?

When you read them together, it looks like a case study on how quack treatments arise. The first study has a little glimmer of something real, but it is a long way from getting a few mice through a maze a little faster to proving improvement in cognitive decline in humans. Still, a glimmer of truth may be there.
The second is appears to tell how opportunistic people take something that sounds good and may have that glimmer of truth, then use it prey on vulnerable people to get their money. It happens all the time with fake treatments like ozone infusions, peroxide infusions, vitamins, supplements, Covid treatments, Unfortunately for the victims, the perpetrators of these frauds hide behind “freedom of speech” etc. in the legal system and thus continue to thrive, or just change their name and set up shop selling a new scam.

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Separate from whom? The religious leaders of the time seemed fairly distressed about who all Jesus hung out with and even ate with. His own disciples got caught by surprise at times too - with his willingness to be “caught talking to” a Samaritan woman, or his (admittedly grudgingly given) attentions to the Syrophoenician woman. He even hung out with the religious leaders too, eating in their homes when they invited him (which in itself may be a bit surprising). The only times I’m remembering Jesus mentioned as wanting separation was to get away from the eager masses - especially when they wanted to make more of him (or get more from him) than he cared to allow.

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This is why it’s so important to draw an ethical line and to keep it. The tendency toward self-gratification and anything for money are too great to allow unchecked.

Yeah, it’s unethical to save a life by donating a kidney after I die, but not before. (Just theoretically, of course, since I only have one kidney. :slightly_smiling_face:)

Did you read my reply to Christy? It doesn’t matter if your alive or dead. There are valid ethical arguments against putting other people’s cells, blood or tissue into your body for any reason.

Yes, I did. They are more of your what ifs, and are not valid.

So therefore you ban all transplants. Nice.

Nope. Not what ifs. Commands.

Again, nope. I wouldn’t be conflicted if it wasn’t a difficult choice. Sometimes there is no good one.

Do OT dietary laws still apply? What if they don’t?

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All of the laws are for our benefit. They tell us how to live, and (remember the two greatest laws?) how to love God and love our neighbor. If we followed them, we would make fewer great mistakes in life. Eating clean foods would make us healthier.


I started eating clean and following the Torah about 15 years ago.

Go for it.  

Not just quacks. If you were Bill Gates, what would you give to live a healthy, pain-free life and have it extended for decades? He can afford to have real research done into these questionable areas, and so can many political leaders.

It looks like this post has gotten far off topic, and exhausted serious comment related to the post, so will close it down

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