It took place on a scale of ten billion cubic kilometres of (light, dark, hot, endothermic, cold, exothermic, polarized, magnetized, electrified, pressurized, depressurized, hydrated, dehydrated, oxidized, reduced, methylated, nitrified, carbonated, sulphated, acidified, catalyzed…) molecules over a hundred million years. Science says no such thing. Understanding gives rise to more.
Science has extensively studied al such conditions and more. But you think you don’t need a mechanism, once you have time and space enough?
No . it . hasn’t .
And no I don’t. I think you need the mechanism of chemistry over colossal time and space. Which is what there was.
Astrobiology, a scientific journal dedicated to abiogenesis at its own has already published 30 000 pages scientific articles at its own.
When we briefly view in google scholar we see:
RNA and reducing: 3 100 000 hits
RNA and eelctrochemical gradient: 69 500 hits
RNA and carbonate: 163 000 hits
RNA and oxidation: 1 110 000 hits
DNA and methylation: 1 890 000 hits
RNA and high pressure: 2 400 000 hits
and so on.
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What about it? What’s that got to do with the fact of one hundred million years of ten billion cubic miles of multivariable chemistry? The fact that as soon as it started raining in geological time there was life? Here as on trillions of worlds in our mediocre, infinitesimal universe from eternity? How many hours in how many test tubes is all of the above compared with Earthlab? I’ll give you ten million hits, each experiment taking a year, involving a cubic metre each, to be really, really, really generous. 0.1% cubic kilometre years of chemistry vs. 10^18 cubic kilometre years. 10^21 x as much, With an order of magnitude or ten more for complexity.
Not so much. I am speaking of scientific experiments in the lab, you only of a vast amount of water. That scientists work in labs has a reason. In labs, in small scale, you can manipulate many and many different variables within a small time scale. And the results make sense, as we see in practice. It’s not the size that counts.
The total amount of liquid water on earth is only 1.4 billion cubic km and not 10 billion cubic miles. Of that 1.4 billion cubic km the majority is completely non relevant for origin of life. For origin of life, we are interested in hydrothermal vents or superficial drying pools. Both have a volume that is very, very small compared to the total.
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It’s not the time that counts. When you repeat an experiment that doesn’t work a billion times, that will not help
Mile shmile. The oceans are a billion cubic kilometres, the troposphere seven billion, the upper lithosphere OOM a hundred million. OOM the biosphere is 10 bn cubic km. All the chemistry you can want to make life obviously occurred in that over a hundred million years. The ocean is not ‘just water’. All the lab chemistry from the alchemists and earlier proto-scientists onward is nothing.
If you want to believe that God sprinkled pixie dust on the trillions of life worlds in this mediocre, insignificant, infinitesimal universe, let alone the parallel infinity of infinities from eternity, knock yourself out. Such fallacy based superstitious pseudoscience does faith no service whatsoever.
Hey, some of us like it here. 
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It does get hard to feel exceptional, however, in comparison to expanding eternity and infinite shots on goal. But when magnificence is the space where average resides, it’s no put down.
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It is peculiar to hear someone who claims Stendhal’s to be making grandiose statements about the mediocrity of the beauty here.
May be a better idea: labs are part of the biosphere. Live originated from a mad neanderthal scientist lab.
Riiiiight. So life originated life up to 40,000 years ago. 15?
If it’s from a lab, time doesn’t matter.
Greetings, Mr VanEngelen. Welcome! I have been watching some of your thoughtful replies. I wonder-can you tell us more about yourself? Are in the Netherlands? What brought you here? What is your main science (or other) interest?
I’m a family physician in West Michigan. I was a missionary kid (son of missionaries) in West Africa, and was born there, and lived there for 11 years.
Thank you!
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Dear Randy, that is right. I am from the Netherlands. I have MSc Biology, DVM, PhD in physiology and work as specialist veterinary microbiology. Besides that I am christian, and so interested in this topic. A dutch website pointed to this website about Ard Louis. I am intrigued why christians use the god-of-the-gaps argument since at its own it is not a proper argument, There must be some metaphysical assumptions behind. It thought it to be nice to make that clear.
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That’s a non sequitur. And meaningless.
Well said that man.