Ann Gauger's latest salvo against Dennis Venema's arguments against an original pair of human beings

[gbrooks9 (George Brooks)]

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In contrast, the “usual crowd” that promote I.D. are almost all “Young Earthers” - - or those who claim to be Old Earther’s but refuse to discuss it in public (if they did, it would either lead to infuriating the YEC I.D. folks … or revealing that, in fact, the I.D. folks who claim to be Old Earth are not in fact accurately describing their position!

@Bilbo,

From what I’ve read of Behe, he is not I.D. person you think he is.

He talks about Evolution vs. De-vollution - - which is a totally bogus concept.

And then there’s this truly wacky idea about all of genetic diversity being loaded into the first living cells:

@gbrooks9

I wanted to highlight this part of a discussion from last year. @Chris_Falter very helpfully highlights this I.D. gem from Dr. Behe:

Evolutionary Creationists should distance themselves more clearly from deism

The only evolutionary model I have ever seen Behe propose is on page 227 of Darwin’s Black Box

[Beginning of Quote from Darwin’s Black Box]
“Suppose that nearly four billion years ago the designer made the first cell, already containing all of the irreducibly complex biochemical systems discussed here and many others.” < What the heck? GB

“(One can postulate that the designs for systems that were to be used later, such as blood clotting, were present but not ‘turned on.’ In present-day organisms plenty of genes are turned off for a while, sometimes for generations, to be turned on at a later time.)” < Can he be serious? GB

“Additionally, suppose the designer placed into the cell some other systems for which we cannot adduce enough evidence to conclude design. The cell containing the designed systems then was left on autopilot to reproduce, mutate, eat and be eaten, bump against rocks, and suffer all the vagaries of life on earth.”
[End of Quote from Darwin’s Black Box]

@Marty, I think you’ve gone on record that you are not very interested in YEC positions. But could you explain why you think I.D. investigations are worthy of special considerations? Behe’s proposal is the wildest genetic idea I’ve ever heard of!

@gbrooks9

I wanted to highlight this part of a discussion from last year. @Chris_Falter very helpfully highlights this I.D. gem from Dr. Behe:

Evolutionary Creationists should distance themselves more clearly from deism

Chris Falter writes:
The only evolutionary model I have ever seen Behe propose is on
page 227 of Darwin’s Black Box:

[Beginning of Quote from Darwin’s Black Box]
“Suppose that nearly four billion years ago the designer made the first cell, already containing all of the irreducibly complex biochemical systems discussed here and many others.” < What the heck? GB

“(One can postulate that the designs for systems that were to be used later, such as blood clotting, were present but not ‘turned on.’ In present-day organisms plenty of genes are turned off for a while, sometimes for generations, to be turned on at a later time.)” < Can he be serious? GB

“Additionally, suppose the designer placed into the cell some other systems for which we cannot adduce enough evidence to conclude design. The cell containing the designed systems then was left on autopilot to reproduce, mutate, eat and be eaten, bump against rocks, and suffer all the vagaries of life on earth.”
[End of Quote from Darwin’s Black Box]

@Marty, I think you’ve gone on record that you are not very interested in YEC positions. But could you explain why you think I.D. investigations are worthy of special considerations? Behe’s proposal is the wildest genetic idea I’ve ever heard of!