YES that is the same kind of metaphor I have been using. The innocent do suffer because of the sins of the guilty and the fact they do can even motivate people to change. That is exactly what I have been saying all along. This is the truth in the judicial/sacrificial metaphor of the atonement. Jesus’ death on the cross motivates people in the same way.
I have said the same thing elsewhere. I have even backed it up with science to say that quantum logic demonstrates that our everyday logic may be limited. BUT I also say that we cannot abandon what we do understand of logic without descending into meaningless noise.
Incorrect. I affirm all the miracles God did. But it is the fact that God did them that makes them miracles. What I deny is that any of it is magic and contrary to the laws of nature. Remember the example of the computer designed to do what we command – obviously God would make the universe like that too in some way. He doesn’t need to break his own laws and use necromancy. I think trying to put a divine stamp of approval on necromancy and blood sacrifices is very wrong!
Exactly! It all sounds like CPR and waking up people with comas. It would indeed all have been seen as magic. Let’s go with the “magic” that actually works instead of fairy tales, what do you say?
John 3:12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how can you believe if I tell you heavenly things?
I believe. I believe in the spiritual aspect to reality which does not conform the the mathematical laws of nature of the space-time physical universe. But I do insist it conforms to the limits of rationality – that is the difference between reality and a dreamworld. I even believe there is some limited interaction between spiritual and physical – the limits are established by the hard fact that science works. Science shows the repeatable patterns – what is demonstrable for all to see no matter what they want or believe. Thus any connections outside what science shows is not repeatable or demonstrable and the skeptic can and will dismiss it as coincidental, even though I do not. Otherwise it would BE one of those mathematical laws of nature.