What was before the big Bang?


(Иван Громов) #1

The universe must have an absolute beginning, this also applies to the multiverse. Whether this is a good reference to God? Or science can say what was before the big Bang? I will be glad to review! God Bless!


(Phil) #2

It is a little hard to wrap your head around, even Augustine came to the conclusion that time itself began with creation so essentially, there was no “before” the Big Bang since that implies the passage of time. Astrophysics is in agreement with what Augustine inferred.
What then does that say about what eternity is? I really don’t know, but it appears to not be the endless passage of time. Or maybe it is for us, since we are beings of this universe. Makes my head hurt. Think I’ll have some pie.


(Roger A. Sawtelle) #3

@JusticeBat

Ivan,

Dobriii den.

In my considered opinion. The answer is yes. Science cannot go beyond the Beginning because there is no before the Beginning. This is irrefutable evidence for a Creator or Source of Reality.

Einstein’s Theory proves there is no time without space and matter. There was no matter, space, or time before the Big Bang. There was absolutely nihilo. This justifies scientifically the doctrine of creation ex nihilo.

However I would be very cautious in getting into a debate over this issue. One cannot really prove God, although we need to give good reasons for our faith. A debate leads nowhere. A discussion can be very useful.


(Antoine Bret) #4

Hi everyone,
As far as science is concerned, the laws of physics we have cannot rewind the movie until time t=0. To do so, we’d need something unfying general relativity with quantun mechanics, which we don’t have.
There are candidates however, like string theory or loop quantum gravity. Neither hasreceived experimental confirmation yet. When applied to the t=0 cosmological problem, the latter (at least) gives a “big bounce” with something before, contracting before bouncing back as “our” big bang…
I’d thus say that so far, science has no consensus about whether or not “our” big bang was really the begining or everything -:slight_smile:


(Walter D Huber) #5

If God with a magic wand is your answer to the creation of the universe out of nothing then that is great for you. No further questions need to be asked.

But for us techno geeks who really like to work within the laws of Physics we look for an explanation for the Big Bang that stays within the laws of Physics. So a proposed answer is that the universe has always existed, Before the Big Bang was the Big Collapse. At some point all the matter (or most of the matter) in the universe (or at least in our part of the universe) due to eons of years of gravity caused all the matter to collapse on itself and form a huge black hole. This black hole continued to suck in all the “stuff” in the universe until this black hole became so powerful and unstable it exploded in what we now call the Big Bang. So the universe as we know it was created by the Big Bang. And for those that want to give God the credit, I’m fine with that. He just used the Big Bang instead of a magic wand.


(Roger A. Sawtelle) #6

In response to @Antoine_Bret and @WaltHuber

The scientific evidence indicates that there was a Beginning or Big Bang. If the universe were eternal, then it would be infinite and there is no evidence that this is true.

Since there is no 100% consensus about anything in science, except evolution :slight_smile:, I would not insist that there is one here. That does not mean that the Big Bang is not evidence for the existence of the Creator, because the Creator alone is beyond time.

The evidence for then Big Bang as the Beginning of the universe is quite clear.

  1. The universe is not infinite. It has spacial and temporal boundaries.

  2. The physical evidence of background radiation.

  3. E = mc squared, which says that without mass, there is no time/space or without mass or matter, there is nothing.

God did not create the universe with a magic wand, but with God’s Rational Word or Logos, Who is the Way, the Truth, and the Life of the physical, the rational, and the good that gives form to our world. We can imitate God, but we cannot be God, Who science confirms gave form and substance to the universe in the Beginning.


(Walter D Huber) #7

We view the universe by what we can see of it. The edge of the universe is that point so far away from us that light generated by something (a star) outside that range is so far away the light from that star has not yet had time to reach us. So in reality, the universe as we can view it is expanding at the speed of light. If we are looking at a star that is a billion light years away from us, we are not looking at that star today, but how it looked when the light left it. That star may be a black hole right now. So for our rather near universe we can get a reasonable handle on what it is like. The distant universe is extrapolation and estimation on what is currently out there.