If you have a better method, then I am all ears.[quote=“Mervin_Bitikofer, post:78, topic:36189”]
I hold that there are truths (facts) beyond what we can demonstrate, perhaps many that we will never be able to demonstrate. My inability to produce scientific proof or evidence to your satisfaction does not make a true assertion any less true, any more than the inability of everyone five centuries ago to produce evidence that the earth moves would somehow defeat the “facthood” of a moving earth.
You seem to be equivocating. I would agree that there are truths that we have yet to discover. However, that is not the same as things we believe, either through faith or opinion. Just because we believe something to be true does not make it true. If you believe something is true simply because you don’t want it to be false, then that doesn’t seem like a very good method for discerning truth.[quote=“Mervin_Bitikofer, post:78, topic:36189”]
I know you want to “know” all things with scientific confidence, but things of God are just not going to lend themselves to the kind of inspection you seek (at least not on my command).
This is also a feature of things that are not true or made up. Things that are not true or made up also do not lend themselves scientific investigation, or at least a demonstration of their truth through independent means. If a claim is indistinguishable from something that is either not true or made up, then why believe it is true?[quote=“Mervin_Bitikofer, post:78, topic:36189”]
We already know we have uncertainties. We get that. For those who are Christians here, we are willing to live with some of those uncertainties --sometimes more than other times. I’m sorry if you can’t abide the thought of any uncertainty at all.
I don’t think I am the one who is bothered by uncertainties. Rather, it is those who try to blur the line between fact and belief that are trying to justify their beliefs in uncertainties. That’s all I am trying to address.[quote=“Mervin_Bitikofer, post:78, topic:36189”]
I don’t want to turn you away if you continue to be genuinely curious. Don’t get me wrong. But I also don’t want to continue to invest a lot of time responding if every response is met only with the same repeated demand for empirical justification that asks me to assume and endorse a form of Scientism that I have already rejected. Others here may have different or more accommodating responses, but such is mine here.
What I am seeking is any justification. If you think there is a better method for gaining knowledge then describe it, and show that it is better.