I don’t know if parable is the word I would use, but yes, I do think it was not a material account, rather a function and purpose account, like the building of the tabernacle.
I do not agree with this. Why would God created a tree of life if we were immortal? I think God created us mortal, to depend on Him to live forever. Or possibly to eat of the tree of life and live forever. It was merciful of God to not allow us to eat of that fruit after sinning, so we don’t have a live an eternal life separate from Him. But now that we have acknowledged we can’t live apart from Him and we were create to live to glorify Him, in heaven, we will be able to eat of that fruit and live forever.
Science has nothing to do with knowledge of good and evil…That is like saying a thermometer can taste if an orange is good or not.
I am pretty sure that was stated as a parable. Luke 15:3 “Then Jesus told them this parable:” Vs 11 “Jesus continued:11-32”. Genesis wasn’t stated as a parable. It is a real account explaining why things are.
I can agree with that.
- I agree
2b No, again, science is not good and evil. Nothing apart from God is good. If you use science to know how insanely complex and impressive God’s creation was/is, and He receives glory, science is good.
3b I kind of agree that we are seeking to do things our own way, or our own logic as opposed to trusting God
- I don’t agree, why would there be a tree of life if everyone was immortal?
- I think it needs to be worded better. Men and woman are of equal value, just like a murdered and a petty snickers theft lives are valued equally in the eyes of God. But were were clearly not created equally in our roles. If that was true, God would have said something about cloning or copying Adam and then changing some things. He didn’t, He pulled from half of Adam, it was not good for man to be alone, man could not do the job properly by himself and needed a helper.
Yea, the Bible isn’t a science book, so there is nothing wrong with understanding the natural process of something, or using science to attain that knowledge. That doesn’t take anything away from God, but what we take away from God. If we say some singularity created us all and science shows that, that is bad, because it is taking the glory away from God.
I think all that “speak” means is to have intention. You can think that you want to say hello to someone, but they will not know this until you say it. You can think to move your arm and not move it, it isn’t until you actually move your arm, that anyone is aware of your thoughts. But if you just think that you want to move your arm and never do it, it doesn’t move.
I think “speaking” creation into being is just saying, there was a thought, and intent and we all know it now. Like “confessing with you mouth” isn’t required to be saved (or mute people would be screwed) rather it shows intent and belief.
I am doing a terrible job explaining that, but I hop you are understanding what I mean?
It isn’t just made up stories though. But it could be coming from a different perspective than you are used to living in this modern world.
If some tells you of a house they built and the foundation first, then the first floor they made a 14 x 14 room with nothing in it, and then a 8 x 8 room with pipes going to it, and a roof, how could you interpret it?
One could say, cool, now I know how to build a house. I need a foundation, and plumbing, and a roof. Should I build my own, should I move in here, I have no purpose, just a house.
The other could say, I understand a home was created, a space for one to rest, a room with water so one can cleanse ones self. One can feel safe and secure and dwell this home and invite others to enjoy it with me.
One is a material perspective, one is a function/purpose perspective, neither is lying, but only one understands the true meaning. Why build a house if not to live in it? It doesn’t say on the 6th day, God made more. It says He rested, He ruled, He moved in His temple, and allowed us to stay as guests.
Evolution is not my authority. It is a logic conclusion I came to with what natural process God possibly used to being about creation.
The authority it has, is the original meaning, the meaning that God created a place with function, and order. He was to rule over this temple/home with us as priest in this home.
Not how there are no seas in heaven Revelation. There are seas in the beginning. Seas represented disorder, God created order. Any Israelite or Babylonian would have understood this. The Bible was written to them, but it is written for all of us.
Any Jew would have recognized the word rest as a temple word.
My main problem with AIG is this insane allegiance to it, seemingly more than God. Hard core literal Bible believing folks are the ONLY ones that AIG is going to “help”. But if they already know God, how can you help lead them to God? And anyone else who has an scientific intelligence and understands basic science knows the universe is billions of years old in measurement. So all AIG is doing is preaching to the choir, and alienating those who they are supposed to be reaching out towards.
I don’t care if you want to believe in YEC, you might be right. I don’t happen to think so, but only God one knows for certain. But attempting to ram YEC down the throat of a non-believer is not going to glorify God in any way, shape or form.
I am uncertain of this, I have thought this at one point in time. But Gen 3:22 kind of makes me not think that. “22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.””
Like we were moral, and needed this thing to live forever and we could have ate it as a sinner?
They had different jobs/roles, or God just would have created 2 men to help out. Man needed woman to do what man couldn’t do. And women need man to do what they can’t do. One thing they can do together is to accept each other despite their flaws like in marriage is an example of Christ and the church. In seeing marriage, we can spill our the blessings of God to others.
What? Man never gained superiority?! That isn’t anywhere in the Bible. Woman was instructed to respect man, and man to love woman, roles were spelled out, but none is superior or inferior.
Was Jesus inferior to His disciples when He washed their feet and served them? Nor is a wife inferior to her husband when she serves him. Especially when she is serving him as God commanded to give glory to the Father. Jesus respected the Father, does that make Jesus inferior to the Father?
Neither is inferior by any means, but they are not equal. A tuperware is not something you would use at a fine dinning, but a crystal glass is not something you would take to a construction site. Different roles, both of great value where intended.
Do you think our biology changed when they sinned? Woman’s testosterone dropped and was exchanged for estrogen and they now have a MUCH harder time developing muscle? All because of the fall? Think that one through…
This could mean God made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and gave the purpose in 6 days. How long do you think it took to make the tabernacle? But it wasn’t complete until it had purpose and God rested in it. It was just a temp with expensive stuff inside of neat craftsmanship.
“Several ancient texts chronicle this ceremony as lasting seven days. During those seven days, the functions of the temple were identified, the functionaries installed, the priests commissioned and most importantly, that which represented God was brought into the center of the sacred space so that He could rest and be worshiped.”
Genesis was also 7 literal days…of inauguration, not material creation. Before the inaugural 7 days in Genesis billions of years could have occurred. The earth was set up, so was the sun, but before it had purpose, it was just useless stuff that showed neat craftsmanship.
Physical death is not the result of sin. Show a verse where this is said? The only verses I can think of are ones that say the wages of sin is death (meaning spiritual death), or else we would all be physically dead by now. There were all sorts of physical death before Adam and Eve, that is how God’s creation works, the whole nitrogen cycle.
Surely this cycle that we can know and test didn’t just start after the fall. Like God had to edit all of the physics He created to fit what man did. Physical death is never a bad thing (it is a blessing if nothing else, so we are not forced to live eternity in these flawed bodies, our lives belong to God, so taking that life from someone is a bad thing, only God has that right.
Jesus had to die, to become spiritual death (separation from God) for us. In order to do that, He had to physically die. But death could not hold Him! So He raised back to live, and symbolically, we can be buried with Him, and brought to life with Him, reconciled to God, no longer separate from Him, no longer spiritually dead.
There will be no spiritual death as we will be with God, and we will have access to the tree of life, so we can forever glorify Him!
Yes 1 Cor 15:26 The last enemy has been destroyed, it is death. We can no longer be separated from God, if we want to be with God! It goes onto say in vs 55-56 “Where, O death, is your victory?Where, O death, is your sting?” The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.”
Hence when Jesus said “It is finished!” Because it has been.
Via eternal separation from God.
I believe that. Thankfully Dawkins doesn’t have scriptural authority. He can say whatever he wants about us, that doesn’t make it true. Dawkins does not understand God or the scriptures, so he has no clue what he is talking about with that statement.
They aren’t incompatible either. The Bible says nothing that says evolution it is incorrect. It doesn’t say it is correct either…it doesn’t say ANYTHING about science or biology or cosmological geography!
Could that master builder have used a billion sculptors to make it? I can assure you the master builders of the pyramids didn’t do it by themselves. The oversaw it, and should get all the credit for it, but the labor was done by many. Though I don’t really like that analogy.
You have heard the shaking a watch parts in a bucket a billion times could never make a watch analogy? I agree. BUT, one could have designed a watch that could assemble itself piece by piece while being shaken. Not a human, but that would be some incredible intellect to design that!
Or a computer programmer, that has all the steps and coding and writes it down, then hits the “on” button. Bits and bites go flying around and 0’s and 1’s make logic and groups of that logic makes programs and eventually, an operating system comes ‘alive’. So it took 5 billion transfers of bits or 1’s and 0’s to make what is now windows. It is a pointless thing to just sit there. But it only takes 7 days to explain it’s purpose and begin using it as it was intended.
That is evolution and big bang theory, a possible (explanation with strong logic behind it and science) explanation (not proven fact) of how God “coded” molecules and atoms to make the temple of our universe with Adam and Eve to live in it as guests as God rules it.
That is the best we can do, we have no other means of deciding this. The Bible is not a science book, or a book or cosmological geography, so how else would we come up with a theory?
Cool, I would then be able to learn a neat thing that God did and can praise Him for that. But the truths of God don’t change.
Maybe He isn’t trying to deceive us…or for that matter get across any material creation account. The ancients knew God created everything, they didn’t need a book to tell them this. They did however need a book to tell them WHY He created us.
I am not so certain of that. I think God was speaking to Job in a way he understood things. I think Job literally thought that the heavens had store houses, so God spoke in such a way. Not to say that this is scientifically true or a scientific statement made by God. If God started speaking of the rain cycle, Job would have been so bewildered.
The Bible was written for everyone, not to everyone.