If There Is No Historical Adam How Do You Explain This?


(James Hiddle) #1

The Genealogy of Jesus Christ

Luke 3:23-38-Now Jesus Himself began His ministry at about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, the son of Heli, the son of Matthat,[d] the son of Levi, the son of Melchi, the son of Janna, the son of Joseph, the son of Mattathiah, the son of Amos, the son of Nahum, the son of Esli, the son of Naggai, the son of Maath, the son of Mattathiah, the son of Semei, the son of Joseph, the son of Judah, the son of Joannas, the son of Rhesa, the son of Zerubbabel, the son of Shealtiel, the son of Neri, the son of Melchi, the son of Addi, the son of Cosam, the son of Elmodam, the son of Er, the son of Jose, the son of Eliezer, the son of Jorim, the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, the son of Simeon, the son of Judah, the son of Joseph, the son of Jonan, the son of Eliakim, the son of Melea, the son of Menan, the son of Mattathah, the son of Nathan, the son of David, the son of Jesse, the son of Obed, the son of Boaz, the son of Salmon, the son of Nahshon, the son of Amminadab, the son of Ram, the son of Hezron, the son of Perez, the son of Judah, the son of Jacob, the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham, the son of Terah, the son of Nahor, the son of Serug, the son of Reu, the son of Peleg, the son of Eber, the son of Shelah, the son of Cainan, the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem, the son of Noah, the son of Lamech, the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch, the son of Jared, the son of Mahalalel, the son of Cainan, the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.


(George Brooks) #2

@jahiddle

You provide us the Genealogy of Jesus in Luke 3.
But you ignore the fact the Genealogy of Jesus in Matthew 1:1–17 diverges! - - TWICE!!- - . . . without
explanation or apology. The first divergence is not a surprise … because in any geographic region, it
is quite expected that people can trace their lineage back to a single ancestor by more than one line.

But the SECOND divergence is the real problem … it essentially says that Jesus had FOUR grandfathers,
instead of the usual TWO!

Luke’s list is:
1.God
2.Adam
3.Seth
4.Enos
5.Cainan
6.Maleleel
7.Jared
8.Enoch
9.Mathusala
10.Lamech
11.Noe
12.Shem
13.Arphaxad
14.Cainan
15.Sala
16.Heber
17.Phalec
18.Ragau
19.Saruch
20.Nachor
21.Thara
22.Abraham
23.Isaac
24.Jacob
25.Juda
26.Phares
27.Esrom
28.Aram
29.Aminadab
30.Naasson
31.Salmon
32.Booz
33.Obed
34.Jesse
35.David
36.Nathan
37.Mattatha
38.Menan
39.Melea
40.Eliakim
41.Jonam
42.Joseph
43.Judah
44.Simeon
45.Levi
46.Matthat
47.Jorim
48.Eliezer
49.Jose
50.Er
51.Elmodam
52.Cosam
53.Addi
54.Melchi
55.Neri
56.Salathiel
57.Zorobabel
58.Rhesa
59.Joanna
60.Juda
61.Joseph
62.Semei
63.Mattathias
64.Maath
65.Nagge
66.Esli
67.Naum
68.Amos
69.Mattathias
70.Joseph
71.Janna
72.Melchi
73.Levi
74.Matthat
75.Heli
76.Joseph
77.Jesus

And Matthew’s list is:
1.Abraham
2.Isaac
3.Jacob
4.Judah & Tamar
5.Perez
6.Hezron
7.Ram
8.Amminadab
9.Nahshon
10.Salmon & Rahab
11.Boaz & Ruth
12.Obed
13.Jesse
14.David & Bathsheba
15.Solomon & Naamah
16.Rehoboam
17.Abijam
18.Asa
19.Jehosaphat
20.Jehoram
21.Uzziah
22.Jotham
23.Ahaz
24.Hezekiah
25.Manasseh
26.Amon
27.Josiah
28.Jeconiah
29.Shealtiel
30.Zerubbabel
31.Abiud
32.Eliakim
33.Azor
34.Zadok
35.Achim
36.Eliud
37.Eleazar
38.Matthan
39.Jacob
40.Joseph & Mary *
41.Jesus

Luke’s 36th entry is Nathan, the son of King David, while
Matthew’s 15th entry is Solomon, the son of King David.

Luke’s 60th entry is Juda, the father of Joseph who married Mary.
And Matthew’s 39th entry is Jacob, the father of Joseph who married Mary.

Clearly, we can’t take BOTH genealogies literally.

Biblical family affiliations were symbolic and spiritually relevant. They were not literal,
even if the writers thought they were.

Sincerely,

George Brooks


(Mazrocon) #3

George I think I might have to disagree with you on this point. The genealogies served a purpose in establishing lineage and ancestry. Sometimes they were more symbolic and other times not. You just have to accept the Hebraic idea of telescoping as well as understand the complications of their laws (regarding biological heirs and legal heirs).

Scenarios have been proposed where one can take both Matthew’s and Luke’s genealogy seriously… It just gets slightly complicated to adjust your train of thought.

Here is good (and brief) link discussing this very issue — http://youtu.be/UWq3fVQuSuA

Also it seems to me that Matthew wanted to connect Jesus to David to show he was the rightful messiah according to prophecy. Luke wanted to connect Jesus to the beginning of it all with Adam.

-Tim


(system) #4

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