I am interested in supported arguments, not bare assertions.[quote=“Relates, post:138, topic:36642”]
What evidence do you have that someone other than YHWH, the One Who IS WHO HE IS, had the opportunity, the ability and means, and the motive to create the universe?
That is a shift in the burden of proof, which is a logical fallacy. It is also an attempt at an argument from ignorance.
I don’t know how the universe came into being. Now, where is the evidence for your claims that YHWH brought the universe into being? If there is no such evidence, then “I don’t know” seems to be the best position to take.[quote=“Relates, post:138, topic:36642”]
I believe that the spiritual exists because I know that it is objective and real, even though it is not material. You say that spiritual, meaning and purpose, exists, but it is subjective and thus is it exists only in the mind.
Thus it seems that you choose that meaning and purpose for life that you arbitrarily decide is best, not because you have an objective and rational basis outside the mind for these values.
First, all I am asking for is the evidence that supports your claim that there is a real and objective spiritual realm. If you don’t have this evidence, that’s fine. You will continue to believe that it exists and I will continue to be skeptical of its existence. There’s nothing wrong with that.
As to the subjective nature of purpose and meaning, I think you describe it well. I don’t claim that there is some objective purpose and meaning that one can derive from the universe itself. Is producing massive black holes the purpose of the universe? Given that there are more supermassive black holes in the universe than there are humans who have ever existed, one could perhaps make that argument. There are more stars in our own galaxy than there are people, so is that the purpose of the universe?
In the end, I choose my purpose and meaning in life by what I find to have purpose and meaning. That would seem to be the very definition of subjective.