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Well, I am open to the truth. It would depend on an appearance. [/quote]
Are you really though? Would you rather know something that you can’t prove or only go with what you can’t prove, even though it isn’t the truth?
Go back to that hypothetic miracle that you accidently observed and filmed from multiple angles and your 5 friends saw it, and you guys discussed it many times and both agreed on what you saw. And the filmed evidence was destroyed and all your friends died in a freak accident. Basically trying to develop a scenario where you couldn’t chalk it up to hallucinations or illusions or bias or any other event. What you saw literally happened, and you have/had proof of it happening.
But, you could no longer prove it to have happened, but you knew it happened, would you still believe it, or would you be convinced that others were correct.
Obviously hypothetical and philosophical question (like if a tree falls and no one hears it, does it make a noise)
I am actually curious, would you believe in yourself, even if you could not prove something to anyone? Would you still believe it?
If anyone appears to a Christian and claims to want or deserve the glory that God does, they will not follow them. Again, a Christian by definition of the word is a follower of Jesus. That is like being surprised at a mathematician admitting if a circle called itself a square, they wouldn’t believe it.
I would say that any convert to Christianity was searching for their Creator, and when He revealed Himself to them, they accepted it.
I never heard of it, but, it could have happened? Lazarus was also resurrected. Getting a second life isn’t very common, but it happens. What has only happened once, is a resurrection, that lead to an eternal life. That is the resurrection that is unique to Jesus, and the resurrection claimed to be the foundation to Christianity. It wasn’t the resurrection itself that was “neat”. It is the entire framework behind it.
You sure about that? Historically it has been exactly the opposite.
Because a few thousand years ago, science books said the sun revolved around the earth…
And religious books haven’t changed their main message since they were written…
I agree with you there.
I kind of agree with that too. This is only reason why I believe God allows tragedies and hardships. It brings us back to Him. When all things in life fail, we see that He has always been there, and always will be. It is sad to see people go through hardships, but if it is for the better, than it is good.
Moth will destroy clothes, death/diseases with destroy family and friends, rust/corrosion will destroy metals, water will erode mountains, but God will forever endure and be there for you. He is the only thing that will never leave you nor forsake you, and cannot be moved or destroyed. It is comforting knowing this, it is the ultimate anchor/foundation/truth that brings peace and comfort.
I forget this at times, we all get angry and sad, but when we remember who God is, we will never fear or be sad. When my mom died, I mourned, I remembered the fun times I had with her, and will miss her having fun time with me and my family. But she, nor anyone could last forever. She had faults too. But God has no faults, He will last forever. Anything else that was created by Him, is a great blessing for us to enjoy, I am very thankful for those things, but we must always remember that He is why we have that blessing, and He is to forever be praised.
I agree with this greatly, I am not a huge fan at all of indoctrination. I am actually quite against it. I don’t think that knowing or repeating what you were taught is of any value. I teach my children what I believe and why, and when they are older, will encourage them to challenge authority respectfully. I want them to see God in my life (like any other human I interact with) and come to a God they see in me. But I don’t want them to try to please me or do what I did because I did it. This is why I don’t like the “What Would Jesus Do” slogan of the 90’s. I think it is much more important to know “Why Did Jesus Do”. I see little value in what my children’s actions are, but I see great value in their logic and reasoning and heart as to why they are doing things.
My children aren’t robots here to do my will. There are humans God has entrusted me to train to be their best.
There is no way to prove the supernatural. That doesn’t mean it didn’t or couldn’t have happened though. I am curious to see your answer to my philosophical question above. Would/could you believe in something you knew to have happened, but could no longer prove? Would you begin to doubt yourself as time went on?
It depends who their are talking to I think. The proof of a Christian’s testimony should be in the light of God in their life.
Though I think the reason Paul was making this more adamant, was that he was talking to the Jews. He was trying to convince them that their Messiah has come, and it is known because of the resurrection. Because if the Jesus died and stayed dead, then he couldn’t have been their messiah that was prophesized about in their texts.
But I don’t think that Paul ever tried to convince a Gentile quite a strongly of this. They didn’t believe or know of a messiah in the first place or a God who created them.
Any time one comes to know God, it is a revelation from God. Sometimes He uses a man, event, or a vision. But it is always a revelation, not information of any man.
That is why I am not convinced that any words I can saw can lead you to God if you aren’t seeking Him. But if you are seeking Him, He can use my words a tool for His divine revelation.
This is why I pray that God may use me to reveal Himself to you or anyone who reads this. I pray they see Him who they are seeking and that He may be glorified in my life and my posts (anything I do).
I don’t think it is so much as willingly ignorant, rather willing pride. Refusing to accept that someone else is in charge of your destiny, or that there is a better way than the life you currently lead.
That isn’t my intent either…depending on how you use hell as a place of torment. Of course no one wants to be tormented. However, don’t people eat themselves to obesity? Smoke themselves to cancer? There are many people who don’t want the consequences of their actions, but still keep doing those actions.
How would you talk to a morbidly obese person who keeps eating horribly unhealthy meals? You know there is a better way, and they can’t see it.
It is rough, especially if you care about that person.
Our sensibility and inner love and compassion for the other can be turned into sin. When we put that burden on ourselves and give us the authority to be able to change their ways that is a bad thing. We take the glory and from God when we think that we can convert someone through our clever words or logic. It isn’t anything we can do, nor anything we are told to do. Though we are told to become tools that God can use to lead others to Him, and that it is only through His strength and mercy that we have the ability to be used as a tool for Him to reveal himself to those who seek Him.
But if they don’t listen to you, your only conclusion would be that “they want to be fat”? Right? Not in a mean way, it is what it is.
So when an atheist says they don’t want to know their Creator, what I hear, is I want to go to hell. When I hear a non-Christian say they want to earn their salvation, that means the want to go to hell. They might not realize that isn’t what they want, but it is what they will get. If you don’t want God, then you won’t get Him, if you want the glory, then you can’t give it to God.
There can be some truth to that. When people are in the dark they don’t want the light. Thiefs don’t want to get caught, they hid in the dark, they wear masks. They want the end state of what they are going for, but no one is proud of the means with which they go through to attain the ends.
Some don’t want to know God, because then they have to be accountable to some one other than themselves. Believing in a God would change that, they don’t want that.
If you have been born with a silver spoon, most think they are entitled to great wealth. They are no better of a human than anyone else. What about those with great athletic ability or good looks that bring them wealth, or an intelligent mind. Or those with deformities or lower intelligence or born into poverty. Who deserves any of this? What is fair? Live the life you were given, and glorify the Creator for everything you do have, because you could have less. The more blesses you are, the more thankful you should be. Also knowing that the less blesses you are, the more thankful you should be. For those with little, can see the anchor that God is easily, but those with much things can find it difficult to see God. That is why it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich man to entire the kingdom of God. A rich man thinks he can run his own kingdom, where as a poor man, seeks refuge in the kingdom of God.
I would not tell you to stop believing in what you want to believe in either. God gave you the free will to chose Him or not, who am I to take that away from anyone? But if you are ever down and out and hit rock bottom, or the glass ceiling or are tire of striving for something you can’t attain and come to find that life is meaningless and a chasing the wind, that you search to know the God who can give you meaning and did give you purpose when He created you.